Why doesn't AI want to show me Jesus washing the feet of his disciples?

https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/why-doesnt-ai-want-to-show-me-jesus

OK so this doesn’t count as a real post. I’m just a little intrigued here. In the Gospel of John (the weird gospel) Jesus washes the feet of his disciples, including Judas. This has been mined to great effect, particularly by those who suggest that in fact Judas was the greatest disciple because he was the one who was willing to do what it took to provoke the sacrifice that completed the second covenant. Anyway, I was playing with an AI image generator, trying to get an image of Jesus washing someone’s feet. I had always thought that he had washed the feet of lepers specifically or poor people generally, but I can only find biblical evidence of him washing the disciples. In any event, the passage from John has long been seen as particularly evocative, and correspondingly has been a very common image in the history of Christian art, as a simple Google search will show:

And yet I can’t for the life of me get an AI to generate such an image. It’s odd.

Here’s results (with various prompt tweaks) taken from Bing’s image generator, which runs on Dall-E 3:

Here’s from Imagine.ART:

Stable Diffusion 2.1:

Here’s from Craiyon’s generator:

Here’s from Dall-E mini, which runs on a more primitive version of Dall-E:

I don’t have Midjourney but I’m sure some of you do, so feel free to try it out on there and report back with your findings.

I tried dozens of variations on this request without success. I’m sure enough tinkering would result in what I was asking for, but my results suggest that there’s clearly a… preference not to produce the image in question. An awful lot of the images I generated had the reversal problem you see repeatedly here - Jesus is getting his feet washed, not washing feet. It’s true that Jesus gets his feet washed in the book of Luke, but the story where Jesus does the washing is much more prominent both in Christian mythology and in art. And anyway, if these generators are as revolutionary as their marketing copy suggests they shouldn’t fall into subject-object issues like that. Other images are kind of unclear on the whole feet thing in general. (The one where someone has Jesus’s interchangeable feet laid out next to him is pretty fun.) I’m particularly surprised because there’s such a large historical artistic corpus for this prompt, which would suggest plenty of training data, at least to a layman. So… what gives?

If I were to anthropomorphize, which I shouldn’t, I might guess that they’re thinking “Jesus is a leader, so he’d be getting his feet washed by his followers, not the other way around.” Alternatively, I allllllmost wonder if this is a product of the kind of guardrails they’ve had to put on these tools so that they’re not offensive; maybe, somehow, their parameters suggest that it would be offensive to portray Jesus in a subservient position. Which is funny because, you know, the whole thing about Jesus was his disinterest in worldly concerns about status.

Then again, here’s Google Gemini responding to the prompt “Generate an image of a triangle”:

One for nine, and even the one hit has a lot of extra faff I didn’t ask for. So maybe I’m just overthinking it and asking too much.

{
  "by": "paulpauper",
  "descendants": 46,
  "id": 40217428,
  "kids": [
    40218472,
    40222385,
    40222152,
    40219576,
    40221805,
    40219326,
    40217685,
    40226380,
    40218634,
    40225772,
    40224089,
    40225638,
    40218498,
    40224876,
    40219310
  ],
  "score": 58,
  "time": 1714517508,
  "title": "Why doesn't AI want to show me Jesus washing the feet of his disciples?",
  "type": "story",
  "url": "https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/why-doesnt-ai-want-to-show-me-jesus"
}

{
  "author": "Freddie deBoer",
  "date": "2024-04-30T20:05:36.000Z",
  "description": "it’s a conspiracy!",
  "image": "https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1200,h_600,c_fill,f_jpg,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep,g_auto/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa01adffa-c30f-4103-bd24-41309e632979_2202x954.png",
  "logo": "https://logo.clearbit.com/substack.com",
  "publisher": "Substack",
  "title": "Why Doesn’t AI Want to Show Me Jesus Washing the Feet of His Disciples?",
  "url": "https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/why-doesnt-ai-want-to-show-me-jesus"
}

{
  "url": "https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/why-doesnt-ai-want-to-show-me-jesus",
  "title": "Why Doesn't AI Want to Show Me Jesus Washing the Feet of His Disciples?",
  "description": "OK so this doesn’t count as a real post. I’m just a little intrigued here. In the Gospel of John (the weird gospel) Jesus washes the feet of his disciples, including Judas. This has been mined to great...",
  "links": [
    "https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/why-doesnt-ai-want-to-show-me-jesus"
  ],
  "image": "https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:best,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Ffreddiedeboer.substack.com%2Fapi%2Fv1%2Fpost_preview%2F144179651%2Ftwitter.jpg%3Fversion%3D4",
  "content": "<div><p>OK so this doesn’t count as a real post. I’m just a little intrigued here. In the Gospel of John (the weird gospel) Jesus washes the feet of his disciples, including Judas. This has been mined to great effect, particularly by those who suggest that in fact Judas was the greatest disciple because he was the one who was willing to do what it took to provoke the sacrifice that completed the second covenant. Anyway, I was playing with an AI image generator, trying to get an image of Jesus washing someone’s feet.  I had always thought that he had washed the feet of lepers specifically or poor people generally, but I can only find biblical evidence of him washing the disciples. In any event, the passage from John has long been seen as particularly evocative, and correspondingly has been a very common image in the history of Christian art, as a simple Google search will show:</p><div><figure><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa01adffa-c30f-4103-bd24-41309e632979_2202x954.png\"><div><picture><source type=\"image/webp\" srcset=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa01adffa-c30f-4103-bd24-41309e632979_2202x954.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa01adffa-c30f-4103-bd24-41309e632979_2202x954.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa01adffa-c30f-4103-bd24-41309e632979_2202x954.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa01adffa-c30f-4103-bd24-41309e632979_2202x954.png 1456w\" sizes=\"100vw\"></source><img src=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa01adffa-c30f-4103-bd24-41309e632979_2202x954.png\" srcset=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa01adffa-c30f-4103-bd24-41309e632979_2202x954.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa01adffa-c30f-4103-bd24-41309e632979_2202x954.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa01adffa-c30f-4103-bd24-41309e632979_2202x954.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa01adffa-c30f-4103-bd24-41309e632979_2202x954.png 1456w\" /></picture></div></a></figure></div><p>And yet I can’t for the life of me get an AI to generate such an image. It’s odd.</p><p>Here’s results (with various prompt tweaks) taken from Bing’s image generator, which runs on Dall-E 3:</p><div><figure><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5005c84f-1fd3-40ac-b881-0c174a829302_812x804.jpeg\"><div><picture><source type=\"image/webp\" srcset=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5005c84f-1fd3-40ac-b881-0c174a829302_812x804.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5005c84f-1fd3-40ac-b881-0c174a829302_812x804.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5005c84f-1fd3-40ac-b881-0c174a829302_812x804.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5005c84f-1fd3-40ac-b881-0c174a829302_812x804.jpeg 1456w\" sizes=\"100vw\"></source><img src=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5005c84f-1fd3-40ac-b881-0c174a829302_812x804.jpeg\" srcset=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5005c84f-1fd3-40ac-b881-0c174a829302_812x804.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5005c84f-1fd3-40ac-b881-0c174a829302_812x804.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5005c84f-1fd3-40ac-b881-0c174a829302_812x804.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5005c84f-1fd3-40ac-b881-0c174a829302_812x804.jpeg 1456w\" /></picture></div></a></figure></div><div><figure><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3d667176-35b1-4684-809e-be1ff8b640ff_800x814.jpeg\"><div><picture><source type=\"image/webp\" srcset=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3d667176-35b1-4684-809e-be1ff8b640ff_800x814.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3d667176-35b1-4684-809e-be1ff8b640ff_800x814.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3d667176-35b1-4684-809e-be1ff8b640ff_800x814.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3d667176-35b1-4684-809e-be1ff8b640ff_800x814.jpeg 1456w\" sizes=\"100vw\"></source><img src=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3d667176-35b1-4684-809e-be1ff8b640ff_800x814.jpeg\" srcset=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3d667176-35b1-4684-809e-be1ff8b640ff_800x814.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3d667176-35b1-4684-809e-be1ff8b640ff_800x814.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3d667176-35b1-4684-809e-be1ff8b640ff_800x814.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3d667176-35b1-4684-809e-be1ff8b640ff_800x814.jpeg 1456w\" /></picture></div></a></figure></div><div><figure><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3b66496c-e47a-4e2c-841b-187fa730e20b_808x806.jpeg\"><div><picture><source type=\"image/webp\" srcset=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3b66496c-e47a-4e2c-841b-187fa730e20b_808x806.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3b66496c-e47a-4e2c-841b-187fa730e20b_808x806.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3b66496c-e47a-4e2c-841b-187fa730e20b_808x806.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3b66496c-e47a-4e2c-841b-187fa730e20b_808x806.jpeg 1456w\" sizes=\"100vw\"></source><img src=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3b66496c-e47a-4e2c-841b-187fa730e20b_808x806.jpeg\" srcset=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3b66496c-e47a-4e2c-841b-187fa730e20b_808x806.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3b66496c-e47a-4e2c-841b-187fa730e20b_808x806.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3b66496c-e47a-4e2c-841b-187fa730e20b_808x806.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3b66496c-e47a-4e2c-841b-187fa730e20b_808x806.jpeg 1456w\" /></picture></div></a></figure></div><div><figure><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F27a3816b-5779-4094-b72c-edec4a02852c_810x813.jpeg\"><div><picture><source type=\"image/webp\" srcset=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F27a3816b-5779-4094-b72c-edec4a02852c_810x813.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F27a3816b-5779-4094-b72c-edec4a02852c_810x813.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F27a3816b-5779-4094-b72c-edec4a02852c_810x813.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F27a3816b-5779-4094-b72c-edec4a02852c_810x813.jpeg 1456w\" sizes=\"100vw\"></source><img src=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F27a3816b-5779-4094-b72c-edec4a02852c_810x813.jpeg\" srcset=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F27a3816b-5779-4094-b72c-edec4a02852c_810x813.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F27a3816b-5779-4094-b72c-edec4a02852c_810x813.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F27a3816b-5779-4094-b72c-edec4a02852c_810x813.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F27a3816b-5779-4094-b72c-edec4a02852c_810x813.jpeg 1456w\" /></picture></div></a></figure></div><p>Here’s from Imagine.ART:</p><div><figure><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F579abb22-ac90-464a-8935-7a80bad3ad6d_969x965.png\"><div><picture><source type=\"image/webp\" srcset=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F579abb22-ac90-464a-8935-7a80bad3ad6d_969x965.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F579abb22-ac90-464a-8935-7a80bad3ad6d_969x965.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F579abb22-ac90-464a-8935-7a80bad3ad6d_969x965.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F579abb22-ac90-464a-8935-7a80bad3ad6d_969x965.png 1456w\" sizes=\"100vw\"></source><img src=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F579abb22-ac90-464a-8935-7a80bad3ad6d_969x965.png\" srcset=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F579abb22-ac90-464a-8935-7a80bad3ad6d_969x965.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F579abb22-ac90-464a-8935-7a80bad3ad6d_969x965.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F579abb22-ac90-464a-8935-7a80bad3ad6d_969x965.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F579abb22-ac90-464a-8935-7a80bad3ad6d_969x965.png 1456w\" /></picture></div></a></figure></div><p>Stable Diffusion 2.1:</p><div><figure><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcc46a953-d691-4f7b-86e9-ef7351001dc8_713x702.png\"><div><picture><source type=\"image/webp\" srcset=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcc46a953-d691-4f7b-86e9-ef7351001dc8_713x702.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcc46a953-d691-4f7b-86e9-ef7351001dc8_713x702.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcc46a953-d691-4f7b-86e9-ef7351001dc8_713x702.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcc46a953-d691-4f7b-86e9-ef7351001dc8_713x702.png 1456w\" sizes=\"100vw\"></source><img src=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcc46a953-d691-4f7b-86e9-ef7351001dc8_713x702.png\" srcset=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcc46a953-d691-4f7b-86e9-ef7351001dc8_713x702.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcc46a953-d691-4f7b-86e9-ef7351001dc8_713x702.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcc46a953-d691-4f7b-86e9-ef7351001dc8_713x702.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcc46a953-d691-4f7b-86e9-ef7351001dc8_713x702.png 1456w\" /></picture></div></a></figure></div><p>Here’s from Craiyon’s generator:</p><div><figure><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc4cd8e41-6348-40a9-84d4-a1597d245a5f_1119x1091.png\"><div><picture><source type=\"image/webp\" srcset=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc4cd8e41-6348-40a9-84d4-a1597d245a5f_1119x1091.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc4cd8e41-6348-40a9-84d4-a1597d245a5f_1119x1091.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc4cd8e41-6348-40a9-84d4-a1597d245a5f_1119x1091.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc4cd8e41-6348-40a9-84d4-a1597d245a5f_1119x1091.png 1456w\" sizes=\"100vw\"></source><img src=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc4cd8e41-6348-40a9-84d4-a1597d245a5f_1119x1091.png\" srcset=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc4cd8e41-6348-40a9-84d4-a1597d245a5f_1119x1091.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc4cd8e41-6348-40a9-84d4-a1597d245a5f_1119x1091.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc4cd8e41-6348-40a9-84d4-a1597d245a5f_1119x1091.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc4cd8e41-6348-40a9-84d4-a1597d245a5f_1119x1091.png 1456w\" /></picture></div></a></figure></div><p>Here’s from Dall-E mini, which runs on a more primitive version of Dall-E:</p><div><figure><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F65141a2e-fce6-46c6-be6b-415b1ab20a58_1111x1102.jpeg\"><div><picture><source type=\"image/webp\" srcset=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F65141a2e-fce6-46c6-be6b-415b1ab20a58_1111x1102.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F65141a2e-fce6-46c6-be6b-415b1ab20a58_1111x1102.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F65141a2e-fce6-46c6-be6b-415b1ab20a58_1111x1102.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F65141a2e-fce6-46c6-be6b-415b1ab20a58_1111x1102.jpeg 1456w\" sizes=\"100vw\"></source><img src=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F65141a2e-fce6-46c6-be6b-415b1ab20a58_1111x1102.jpeg\" srcset=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F65141a2e-fce6-46c6-be6b-415b1ab20a58_1111x1102.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F65141a2e-fce6-46c6-be6b-415b1ab20a58_1111x1102.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F65141a2e-fce6-46c6-be6b-415b1ab20a58_1111x1102.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F65141a2e-fce6-46c6-be6b-415b1ab20a58_1111x1102.jpeg 1456w\" /></picture></div></a></figure></div><p>I don’t have Midjourney but I’m sure some of you do, so feel free to try it out on there and report back with your findings.</p><p>I tried dozens of variations on this request without success. I’m sure enough tinkering would result in what I was asking for, but my results suggest that there’s clearly a… preference not to produce the image in question. An awful lot of the images I generated had the reversal problem you see repeatedly here - Jesus is getting his feet washed, not washing feet. It’s true that Jesus gets his feet washed in the book of Luke, but the story where Jesus does the washing is much more prominent both in Christian mythology and in art. And anyway, if these generators are as revolutionary as their marketing copy suggests they shouldn’t fall into subject-object issues like that. Other images are kind of unclear on the whole feet thing in general. (The one where someone has Jesus’s interchangeable feet laid out next to him is pretty fun.) I’m particularly surprised because there’s such a large historical artistic corpus for this prompt, which would suggest plenty of training data, at least to a layman. So… what gives?</p><p>If I were to anthropomorphize, which I shouldn’t, I might guess that they’re thinking “Jesus is a leader, so he’d be getting his feet washed by his followers, not the other way around.” Alternatively, I allllllmost wonder if this is a product of the kind of guardrails they’ve had to put on these tools so that they’re not offensive; maybe, somehow, their parameters suggest that it would be offensive to portray Jesus in a subservient position. Which is funny because, you know, the whole thing about Jesus was his disinterest in worldly concerns about status.</p><p>Then again, here’s Google Gemini responding to the prompt “Generate an image of a triangle”:</p><div><figure><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5152b797-30b9-4fd7-8bde-db84fb18b9ba_904x815.jpeg\"><div><picture><source type=\"image/webp\" srcset=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5152b797-30b9-4fd7-8bde-db84fb18b9ba_904x815.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5152b797-30b9-4fd7-8bde-db84fb18b9ba_904x815.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5152b797-30b9-4fd7-8bde-db84fb18b9ba_904x815.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5152b797-30b9-4fd7-8bde-db84fb18b9ba_904x815.jpeg 1456w\" sizes=\"100vw\"></source><img src=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5152b797-30b9-4fd7-8bde-db84fb18b9ba_904x815.jpeg\" srcset=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5152b797-30b9-4fd7-8bde-db84fb18b9ba_904x815.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5152b797-30b9-4fd7-8bde-db84fb18b9ba_904x815.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5152b797-30b9-4fd7-8bde-db84fb18b9ba_904x815.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5152b797-30b9-4fd7-8bde-db84fb18b9ba_904x815.jpeg 1456w\" /></picture></div></a></figure></div><div><figure><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff02409a6-4b42-40d3-bdc5-4853ad3b2a66_852x802.png\"><div><picture><source type=\"image/webp\" srcset=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff02409a6-4b42-40d3-bdc5-4853ad3b2a66_852x802.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff02409a6-4b42-40d3-bdc5-4853ad3b2a66_852x802.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff02409a6-4b42-40d3-bdc5-4853ad3b2a66_852x802.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff02409a6-4b42-40d3-bdc5-4853ad3b2a66_852x802.png 1456w\" sizes=\"100vw\"></source><img src=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff02409a6-4b42-40d3-bdc5-4853ad3b2a66_852x802.png\" srcset=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff02409a6-4b42-40d3-bdc5-4853ad3b2a66_852x802.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff02409a6-4b42-40d3-bdc5-4853ad3b2a66_852x802.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff02409a6-4b42-40d3-bdc5-4853ad3b2a66_852x802.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff02409a6-4b42-40d3-bdc5-4853ad3b2a66_852x802.png 1456w\" /></picture></div></a></figure></div><div><figure><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37a03c42-71da-4702-b866-d3da65a58705_838x797.png\"><div><picture><source type=\"image/webp\" srcset=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37a03c42-71da-4702-b866-d3da65a58705_838x797.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37a03c42-71da-4702-b866-d3da65a58705_838x797.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37a03c42-71da-4702-b866-d3da65a58705_838x797.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37a03c42-71da-4702-b866-d3da65a58705_838x797.png 1456w\" sizes=\"100vw\"></source><img src=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37a03c42-71da-4702-b866-d3da65a58705_838x797.png\" srcset=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37a03c42-71da-4702-b866-d3da65a58705_838x797.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37a03c42-71da-4702-b866-d3da65a58705_838x797.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37a03c42-71da-4702-b866-d3da65a58705_838x797.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37a03c42-71da-4702-b866-d3da65a58705_838x797.png 1456w\" /></picture></div></a></figure></div><p>One for nine, and even the one hit has a lot of extra faff I didn’t ask for. So maybe I’m just overthinking it and asking too much.</p></div>",
  "author": "Freddie deBoer",
  "favicon": "https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd47b7d09-d77a-4831-8492-2ad54b545abc%2Ffavicon-32x32.png",
  "source": "freddiedeboer.substack.com",
  "published": "2024-04-30t20:05:36+00:00",
  "ttr": 109,
  "type": "article"
}